ANNOUNCEMENT.16/11/17 NOTE WE ARE AWAITING SHOCK MANUFACTURERS TO SUPPLY PARTS SO THERE IS A DELAY OF APPROX TWO WEEKS FROM THIS DATE.

 long awaited conversion from the hydragas spheres to a true coil over shock suspension designed by Mike Satur will give the MGF a new lease of life.       NO WELDING REQUIRED BOLT ON DESIGN    Please read all information

The problem

The last MGF was made in early 2002 so now some 15 years old and some are  22 years old, as my own car is, so the hydragas units are well past their intended service life by some 10-15 years. The failings with the hydragas units are corrosion, leaking fluid and the eventual loss of pressure in the internal nitrogen compartment ..something that cannot be prevented , as well as the fluctuation in ride height. This gradual loss of gas leads to a harsher and harsher ride which may not be noticed until too late and permanent internal damage has been done.The units can also fail at any time without any warning and if the suspension drops to it's lowest position then the car becomes un-drivable and also very difficult to load onto a trailer without damage.This is not meant to scare people but to make them aware of the potential pitfalls of the hydragas system and how it can affect you if you become stranded. A modern damper is very similar to Hydragas they both have fluid and gas pockets and controlled by internal valving so a better ride can be achieved with the later technology and designs in the dampers and external springs it is how this science is applied that is the secret of a suspension that works and suits the car.


Keep it in mind that there are no new hydragas units available (maybe some old stock but are likely to need re-gassing and if put back into production would not be a cheap part and I would guess they would be around £300 +each. Just look on Ebay to see how much secondhand used units are! A 'repair' service can only be undertaken on old units so reliability could become an issue and a repeat of the costs involved as well as the expense of removing and refitting and repressurising the hydragas system yet again. “At the moment there are enough spare (second hand) units to go round but this won’t always be the case” So the current solutions are not considered a permanent fix and in no way can they be guaranteed to last any length of time..you might be lucky.

Plus you have the same old issue with the height going up and down with the ambient temperature and the associated problems with potential tyre scrubbing and lopsided appearance and trying to find a local garage with the knowledge and equipment  that can check and adjust the height correctly we may be lucky here in the UK but many owners in Australia /Italy /France/Spain/Japan/New Zealand/Australia/Switzerland etc may not have  these facilities easily accessible.

For those that want to have a MGF in preference to a TF  (which has coil over shocks) and change to a coil/spring set up then this new kit will suit your needs.   You could fit he TF suspension but it had many design flaws and weaknesses, openly admitted by the design team that worked for Rover,  some were partly addressed on the last models produced but IMO not eradicated and in any case the parts may need refurbishing as they could be 15 years old..(you wouldn't want to use shocks and springs that were 15 years old),  the costs of complete sub frame refurbishment and swap would therefore be quite expensive even if you did all the work yourself.They also have the habit of knocking out the lower shock bearing and snapping the bolts..new units are also getting rare and can be expensive.The stock TF dampers are non adjustable for either damping or ride height.a decent setup  will cost around £700 at least. The MGF suspension parts are quite robust and parts that tend to wear are relatively cheap..ball joints and bushes for example, so keeping the same basic layout and improving the weaknesses makes sense.

Current solutions

The current offering of a 'coil in a can' solution just does not work as a suspension should (in my opinion) and is a compromise with the ideal design solution and is not sold as an upgrade! Remember the Hydra gas uses both a gas pocket spring under pressure and a fluid under pressure so these act against each other in a controlled manner and requires less leverage than a conventional steel spring would...using a steel spring to replace the hydragas is asking too much. for such a small amount of leverage.i.e the point at which the leverage acts on the spring (the knuckle joint) will only give 15-20mm of vertical  movement for the amount  the suspension moves, because it is too close to the pivot point and therefore insufficient leverage and is more of a rocking movement hence it is also known as a rocker joint and the contact points are designed for this type of movement this is called the motion ratio, the ratio of the vertical travel of the wheel to the vertical travel of the shock absorber/spring. eg. for 5" of wheel travel the shock will move 3"as is the FCCKit. in the case of the CIAC solution this equates to 5"wheel  to 0.5" spring (approx).any spring designer will tell you that is not a viable task to ask of a spring and for it to be effective.  The solution for the TF was to move the fulcrum/leverage point away from the pivot point to approx 3 times the  distance of the knuckle joint position and therefore allowing the spring/shock 3 x the vertical movement. a motion ratio of 5"to 3"..sufficient to allow the spring to work as it should. Obvious when you think about it..except the components chosen were chosen on price not effectiveness. Also critical is the angle of the spring/shocker...the more you go away from vertical the more the spring become less effective as it has to cater for bending loads as well as compression loads.This can compromise spring design and spring life.

Time has shown the damage to the chassis the coil in a can conversions can cause via the shock absorber resulting in cracks in the chassis around the mounts. They are not owner serviceable, difficult to adjust, do not have adjustable dampers and can be quite expensive £800-900 plus fitting and you have to keep the old top arm/ bearings and knuckle/rocker joints, which may need replacing..feedback from people with this type of conversion have had to replace the knuckle/roller joints after installation, hardly surprising as the higher impact loads were not a design factor when using the hydragas . Parts alone could cost you another £300. This makes the kit quite expensive with ongoing repairs and also puts you back into a 'specialist' part supplier if one goes faulty with potentially the car being stranded somewhere waiting for a replacement unit. Some of these units come with a warning of 'serious injury or even death!' So  NOT something you would want to try and repair in a roadside emergency. Responsibility for the warranty seems hazy with poor feedback from current users trying to get some help.. and  therefore for the above reasons the coil in the can is not a good solution despite the manufacturer's claims..

Requirements:

A new suspension kit that transfers the loads into the subframe not the bodyshell . YES

Has adjustable damper settings YES

Has height adjustability and choice of spring rates . YES

Replace existing parts that are likely to be worn.YES

Improves the safety and reliability. YES

Allows camber adjustment (optional)/ full wheel alignment YES

Has easily sourced replacement parts. YES

Does not require specialist equipment such as the hydragas pump/welding  YES

Mechanic or DIY friendly YES

Does not you have weaving around avoiding bumps or uneven road surfaces. YES

And finally a suspension kit that allows you to fine tune to your requirements and does what it says on the 'can' without having a can.. YES


Solution FCCKit (F Coil Conversion Kit)

The new suspension kit fulfills all the above criteria and comprises of: 4 shock turrets, 4 springs and 4 adjustable  shocks and 4 new design top arms and bearings with all the required nuts and bolts to fit and also offered with the option of a camber adjustment kit.£40 per axle set as a separate purchase  or £60 for front and rear kit saving £20 if purchased with the coil spring kit.

. Of course to fit the new kit will involve removing some or all of the old hydragas units, pipes and the top arms/bearings so a car hoist is advisable but we have tested the fitting by using a trolly jack and axle stands so it is withing the scope of a DIY installation providing the hydragas fluid is de-pressurised correctly (after raising the car). Please note that the condition of the existing sub frames should be examined first as many are now corroded and may need repair or replacement and subject to checking at MOT intervals.

As a bonus the old hydragas units and parts can often be re-sold so recouping some of the costs  and helping other MGF owners to be able to use their cars again.

This kit WILL transform the handling and ride quality of your MGF far surpassing the original Hydragas..I know I have had a MGF since 1995 and have developed various suspension mods to help with the handling and ride. Come and test drive for yourself if you are considering re-gassing your old units and will see how good a MGF can ride and handle as Roger Parker put it "better than MGF and TF"

All parts are UK manufactured and as such will be  backed up by our 'off the shelf' spares should they be required but thankfully DO NOT come with a risk of death warning!

We are  offering this kit at £875 plus vat (or £935 plus vat with two camber kits saving £20 plus vat on ordering separately )  plus shipping costs. Available from 11th September.2017 

To order please email to sales@mikesatur.com with your contact details and requirements if purchased from the web shop then we will confirm the delivery date.The delivery date may vary due to shock absorbers taking 4-5 weeks to manufacture, we try to keep stocks in but depending on demand this might vary.


SEE ALSO THE TRACK VERSION WITH ALUMINIUM DAMPERS.


STOP PRESS: Leading MG Guru Independent road test report:

"I have to say even with the limited drive we were both very impressed with the suspension.  I recall working with the VHS guys when we were looking to introduce their Bilstein soft suspension for early TFs and it didn’t take more than a few feet of driving from their workshop across one finish of concrete across kerbs to another finish before turning onto the tarmac road to be able to feel a difference, and that was the same sort of perception we got from your drive onto the road, that was then amplified down the lane.  Like we said the ride was superb and a Trophy owner driving this car would think the car had been converted to standard, but then the  precision of your kit in terms of steering response and the reaction of the car was clearly better than MGF, and standard TF for that matter.  Add the full range of adjustability you have incorporated and the potential is very wide indeed.  We will have to have a longer drive on dry roads after you have confirmed and adjusted the geometry, but there is no doubt that this deserves to do very well."

Remember we will only sell parts that work correctly and are correctly engineered for the job and  we have control

over the design and manufacturing process that way we can sell with confidence. Should you have any issues with parts or fitting you know where we are and who to talk to.

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MGF Coil over shock conversion kit ROAD version.Mike Satur design Hydragas replacement

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